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. >> how much of this has been affected by the fact that for the first time in this last election you have people going to the polls and actually voting to allow same-sex marriage as opposed to it coming from judges or legislators? >> i don't think justices sort of said the polls did "x" so i will do "y." in 1986, louis powell, the swing justice of his day, they had the first real gay rights case, and he said to his law clerk, you know, as they were sort of weighing the case, you know, i've never met a gay person. i've never met a homosexual. what is that like? now, he didn't know that law clerk himself was homosexual, but that was what the world was like in 1986, that a worldly, intelligent man could have thought that he'd never met someone who was gay. now, even the conservatives on the court couldn't possibly express a sentiment like that. and that's just reflected in how the court acts. >> what do you think -- are is there any way to read the tea leaves on this? >> based on my experience in the health care case, i am going to not do a lot of predictions because, you know, wrong is
. >> how much of this has been affected by the fact that for the first time in this last election you have people going to the polls and actually voting to allow same-sex marriage as opposed to it coming from judges or legislators? >> i don't think justices sort of said the polls did "x" so i will do "y." in 1986, louis powell, the swing justice of his day, they had the first real gay rights case, and he said to his law clerk, you know, as they were sort of...
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we won the election. poll after poll tells us. the american people understand president and the speaker alone in negotiations. what are your thoughts on that? >> well, it shouldn't just be the speaker and the president. it should be the voice of the american people. it should be the senate and should be the house. on these issues, ed, the election mattered. and poll after poll tells us the same thing. not a lot of debate but that's what the american people want. >> that's not getting through to speaker boehner. he just will not move on rates. >> well, that's right. and that is why the president and the democrats have got to stand tall. the democrats must not snatch defeat out of the jaws of victory. we have the american people on our side. we won the election. poll after poll tells us. the american people understand that the wealthiest people are doing phenomenally well. their tax rates are low. meanwhile, the middle class is disappearing, and they're in a lot of trouble. yes, the wealthy and large corporations must be asked to pl
we won the election. poll after poll tells us. the american people understand president and the speaker alone in negotiations. what are your thoughts on that? >> well, it shouldn't just be the speaker and the president. it should be the voice of the american people. it should be the senate and should be the house. on these issues, ed, the election mattered. and poll after poll tells us the same thing. not a lot of debate but that's what the american people want. >> that's not...
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it's like having a general election with a runoff if you don't get over 50%. that was 2006. california did the same thing in 2010. and both states got rid of partisan control of gerrymandering, drawing district lines. >> i remember when they when they redrew your district. suddenly you had a big "l." >> big upside-down "l," right. >> upside-down "l" that went all the way from oklahoma city up to the kansas border. >> yeah, and then halfway across to arkansas. yeah. as you know, bill, i represented oklahoma city. i'm a city guy. you know, to me, food comes from a grocery store and not, you know. i don't know anything about farming. but because i was a republican that won in a heavily democratic district, when we had a state legislature that was dominated by the democrats, you know, they redrew my district so that i was now representing wheat farmers and cattle ranchers and small town merchants. and i thought, "well, look what they did to me." but they didn't. they did it to those people who were entitled to be represented by somebody who could speak for them. you have to take
it's like having a general election with a runoff if you don't get over 50%. that was 2006. california did the same thing in 2010. and both states got rid of partisan control of gerrymandering, drawing district lines. >> i remember when they when they redrew your district. suddenly you had a big "l." >> big upside-down "l," right. >> upside-down "l" that went all the way from oklahoma city up to the kansas border. >> yeah, and then halfway...
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the muslim brotherhood got elected not because they were islamists, they got elected because they did the social work that mubarak didn't do. they gave scholarships. they afford health care. they actually took care of people, gave them loans, and many other things. all that charity that they did wasranslated and transferred into voting. but when you go to, you know, the parliament and you become president, and also the majority of the parliament, and you tell people i want 20 impose on you islam, here the people will tell you no. and i think one of the most important and beautiful things about this revolution, the people didn't stop believing in the revolution and in the principles of democracy, dignity and a better live. >> rula jebreal, we're going to have to leave it there. >> thank you. >> i will i do hope you will come back. i appreciate you. >>> nelson mandela is in the hospital this saturday afternoon. more on his condition straight ahead. >>> first, though, republicans say don't you dare. democrats propose doing away with the debt ceiling all together. we're going to talk to o
the muslim brotherhood got elected not because they were islamists, they got elected because they did the social work that mubarak didn't do. they gave scholarships. they afford health care. they actually took care of people, gave them loans, and many other things. all that charity that they did wasranslated and transferred into voting. but when you go to, you know, the parliament and you become president, and also the majority of the parliament, and you tell people i want 20 impose on you...
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he is on the election side. so he is going to make sure that in pure republicans are not getting through primaries, which are going to keep pushing them that much further to the right. i don't think he got any weaker by walking out of the senate. >> well, i guess it's how does it serve the republican party. these think tanks are supposed to be idea factories, effectively. can we actually imagine demint crafting a piece of viable legislation that has to deal with immigration reform or energy reform or any kind of reform period, ari? >> no. clearly not from his record. and kwong he would claim otherwise. he is all about setting down standards, holding the line. not working towards losings. not trying to make government work. i mean what you can say about him he has been honest about his world view. it is a world view where we spend more time worrying billionaires and everyone else, and where government failure is sold as a success. that is literally the idea. and so they're going to go out now and try to do more t
he is on the election side. so he is going to make sure that in pure republicans are not getting through primaries, which are going to keep pushing them that much further to the right. i don't think he got any weaker by walking out of the senate. >> well, i guess it's how does it serve the republican party. these think tanks are supposed to be idea factories, effectively. can we actually imagine demint crafting a piece of viable legislation that has to deal with immigration reform or...
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we won the election. poll after poll tells us. the american people understand that the wealthiest people are doing phenomenally well. their tax rates are low. the middle class is disappearing and they are in a lot of trouble. the wealthy and large corporations must be asked to play a significant role in deficit reduction. we must not not social security. that's clearly what the american people believe. and the president, democrats have got to hold firm and when they do, it will finally be the republicans that come to the table rather than just the democrats coming in as has been the case in the past. >>> bernie sanders, appreciate your time. >>> coming up, the fight over the fiscal cliff is putting american jobs at risk. one of these congressional members is lying about the problem. we'll use the newest job numbers to get to the truth next. >>> and republicans in michigan are ramming through antiunion legislation and hurting middle class americans in the process. the people of michigan are outraged. we're talking to lansing, michi
we won the election. poll after poll tells us. the american people understand that the wealthiest people are doing phenomenally well. their tax rates are low. the middle class is disappearing and they are in a lot of trouble. the wealthy and large corporations must be asked to play a significant role in deficit reduction. we must not not social security. that's clearly what the american people believe. and the president, democrats have got to hold firm and when they do, it will finally be the...
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they're very upset that their newly elected democratically elected president morsi is doing things that are not so democratic. he is trying to make it so his decisions are not subject to judicial review. at least six civilians have been killed and hundreds injured in the violence. president obama called his egyptian counterpart yesterday to express concern about the situation that seems to be spinning out of control. he urged president morsi to meet with and negotiate with the opposition. >>> and then there is syria, where nbc news reports the assad regime is preparing chemical weapons that can be loaded onto missiles. and human rights groups say more than 40,000 people have been killed in the last 21 months. we here in america are really intent right now on how we will rewrite our tax code. but if matters in egypt and syria or israel and the palestinian territories which are already getting pretty deadly and tragic and chaotic, if they get worse, the crisis about high end marginal tax cuts and budget deficits will begin to look a lot less like a crisis in comparison. try running four.n
they're very upset that their newly elected democratically elected president morsi is doing things that are not so democratic. he is trying to make it so his decisions are not subject to judicial review. at least six civilians have been killed and hundreds injured in the violence. president obama called his egyptian counterpart yesterday to express concern about the situation that seems to be spinning out of control. he urged president morsi to meet with and negotiate with the opposition....
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. >> and this man, i did not realize we elected vampire to the senate. >> we didn't. this is william henry harrison. john tyler, 10th president had the most children, would you like to guess how many. >> 425. >> 14. >> 14. all right. who is this? >> our 18th president you lisses s grant. >> what does the s stand for. >> that's a great question. >> thank you. >> this doesn't seem fair. why does fdr get to sit down. >> i can lick him. >> you cannot. >> we're wearing almost the compaq same suit and tie t would be like licking myself. >> something i've also dreamed of doing. >> that i don't mind but not ronald reagan. >> i don't mind it either but all the hot-- isn't bringing that around. all right. i'm from the future. got to get out. >> can i lick him. >> no, please don't. >> why, you seem pretty up set just now. before you said no, now you seem up set. >> i'm getting up set. >> you're getting up set. why, why is this one so special, why does it up set you to ask if i can lick lincoln. >> you can't lick any of our wax figures. >> but this is the one that somehow broke t
. >> and this man, i did not realize we elected vampire to the senate. >> we didn't. this is william henry harrison. john tyler, 10th president had the most children, would you like to guess how many. >> 425. >> 14. >> 14. all right. who is this? >> our 18th president you lisses s grant. >> what does the s stand for. >> that's a great question. >> thank you. >> this doesn't seem fair. why does fdr get to sit down. >> i can lick...
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situation where you move to a different type of constitution in which people can have a say in e lebl electing the government and where the countries have put in a more stable issue. so this is fantastically difficult. again, what we've seen in the middle east, we saw it in iraq and now in syria. once you lift the lid off of these very repressive regimes, out comes this religious, ethnic, tribal tense. >> how worried are you about the situation in egypt? >> i think egypt is key to the region. you've got to be extremely worried when you see instability affecting egypt. this is, again, these are the birth pains of proper democracy in some ways. but this struggle is immensely important because obviously, what is important in these countries, where they've moved to a democratic system, is that there is a clear understanding. it's a way of thinking. and part of that way of thinking is that you've got to preblgt minorities. you've got to -- democracy doesn't function unless it is accompanied by an open mind. and so, you can understand there is a lot of anxiety in egypt about the constitutional propo
situation where you move to a different type of constitution in which people can have a say in e lebl electing the government and where the countries have put in a more stable issue. so this is fantastically difficult. again, what we've seen in the middle east, we saw it in iraq and now in syria. once you lift the lid off of these very repressive regimes, out comes this religious, ethnic, tribal tense. >> how worried are you about the situation in egypt? >> i think egypt is key to...
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>> you know, after this election, this issue is so ripe for the supreme court the jurisdictions are so split in their laws, many states recognizing same-sex marriage and performing same-sex marriages. some states not recognizing them. this is the perfect scenario for the supreme court to step in and ultimately make a ruling. there are over 1,000 cases, joe, in which federal laws are impacted by marital status. the time has come. it's ripe. prop 8 was on the doorstep for the supreme court. here we go. >> avery, we were trading e-mails a little bit a while ago. one of the questions i asked you was whether the supreme court essentially gave itself an emergency escape hatch with one of the cases it chose. can you talk about that? >> late yesterday, as you know, joe, the supreme court amended its grant of review when it said, we want to know about the issue of standing. meaning does the person involved in the challenge have the right to be there in the first place. if the court doesn't then what it means in practical terms is if you don't have the right to be in court, you don't have standi
>> you know, after this election, this issue is so ripe for the supreme court the jurisdictions are so split in their laws, many states recognizing same-sex marriage and performing same-sex marriages. some states not recognizing them. this is the perfect scenario for the supreme court to step in and ultimately make a ruling. there are over 1,000 cases, joe, in which federal laws are impacted by marital status. the time has come. it's ripe. prop 8 was on the doorstep for the supreme court....
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they're very upset that their newly elected democratic president morsi is doing things that they not so democratic. he is trying to make it so his decisions are not subject to judicial review. at least six civilians have been killed and hundreds injured in the violence. president obama called his egyptian counterpart yesterday to express concern about the situation that seems to be spinning out of control. he urged president morsi to meet with and negotiate with the opposition. >>> you probably saw a really cool image. a nighttime view of the earth from space. nasa was able to show us this image, thanks to a new satellite equipped with something called visible infrared imaging radiometer suite. but this image of the globe from space is not what you might think it is. we do not have a camera far enough away from earth to get an image of the whole thing. it's a composite knitted together from data taken by the satellite as it made several passes around the earth. lots of the cool pictures you see like of hurricanes from earth are actually composites. anything close enough to the earth
they're very upset that their newly elected democratic president morsi is doing things that they not so democratic. he is trying to make it so his decisions are not subject to judicial review. at least six civilians have been killed and hundreds injured in the violence. president obama called his egyptian counterpart yesterday to express concern about the situation that seems to be spinning out of control. he urged president morsi to meet with and negotiate with the opposition. >>> you...
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and on election day, voters in three states approved same-sex marriage. "outfront," mckay coppins, tim carney and maria cardona, cnn contributor and democratic strategist. this is kind of big news in all of this. tim, you saw the polls. now the supreme court will get involved in this. should this signal something to the republican party? should they say it's reached this level, we need to rethink our position on this? >> polls are one thing. there's also the fact most states don't have gay marriage yet and most of those that do, it was not put in by the will of the people. i'm a marylander. we did -- our state did vote for gay marriage. most of them had to do with judges ruling. if the supreme court does for gay marriage what it did for abortion and roe v. wade and said, no, this is not in the hands of the people. we're going to say there's gay marriage, that would do a lot to fire up the republican base and could turn this issue on its head and it could become a big winner for republicans because they'd feel disenfranchised. >> what about the flip side?
and on election day, voters in three states approved same-sex marriage. "outfront," mckay coppins, tim carney and maria cardona, cnn contributor and democratic strategist. this is kind of big news in all of this. tim, you saw the polls. now the supreme court will get involved in this. should this signal something to the republican party? should they say it's reached this level, we need to rethink our position on this? >> polls are one thing. there's also the fact most states...
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. >> the lunch took place in november 2008, a week after the election. obama won the white house. but gays and lesbians lost the right to marry in california. >> we're trying to figure out what we do next. then we thought about the idea of a possible legal challenge to proposition 8, and serendipitously, a friend of my wife's came by the table. >> the friend suggested they would find an ally in her former brother-in-law who turned out to be ted olsen, a towering figure in the conservative legal movement. so that stunned you, right? >> yes, it more than stunned me. it stunned me, but i said if this is true, this is the home run of all times. i mean, the idea that ted olsen, this arch conservative, the solicitor general for george bush who had argued bush v. gore and basically put me in bed for a couple days, i was so depressed after bush v. gore, was interested in gay rights. i thought, let's check it out. >> didn't you have any doubts about ted olsen? >> you know, they say that politics makes strange bed fellows. you don't have a stranger bed fellow than me and ted olsen. >> i was
. >> the lunch took place in november 2008, a week after the election. obama won the white house. but gays and lesbians lost the right to marry in california. >> we're trying to figure out what we do next. then we thought about the idea of a possible legal challenge to proposition 8, and serendipitously, a friend of my wife's came by the table. >> the friend suggested they would find an ally in her former brother-in-law who turned out to be ted olsen, a towering figure in the...